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  • 1751.1  + (<p><strong>Note: This match is also reported in item #1751.3</strong></p>)
  • 1751.3  + (<p><strong>Note: This match is also reported in item#1751.1</strong></p>)
  • 1821.8  + (<p><strong>Note: </strong>This entry was formerly listed for 1844 from prior sources.</p> <p>The location of the village play in not given.</p>)
  • 1837.8  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> A dollar fine for "pitching dollars?"</p>)
  • 1850.6  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> Is the author hinting that boys commonly bet on their ball-games? Isn't this a rare mention of barn-ball?</p>)
  • 1805.4  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong><p><strong>Note:</strong> So, folks . . . was this a baserunning ball game, some version of prisoner's base (a team tag game resembling our childhood game Capture the Flag) with scoring, or what?</p></br><p>John Thorn [email of 2/27/2008] has supplied a facsimile of the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Post</span> report, and also found meeting announcements for the Diagoras in the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Daily Advertiser</span> for 4/11 and 4/12/1805.</p></br><p>David Block (see full text in <strong>Supplemental Text, </strong>below) offers his 2017 thoughts on this entry:</p></br><p> <em>Email from David Block, </em>2/19/2017<em>:</em></p></br><p>"Gents,</p></br><p>Just a quick note to follow up on John's blog post from last week about the 1805 "bace" game. My opinion on whether that game was baseball or prisoner's base has gone back and forth over the years. As of now I tend to lean 60-40 to baseball. Other than the example from Chapman that John cited, I've never come across a use of the term bace to signify either game. Even if I had it wouldn't mean much as the word "base" has been used freely over the years for both of them. The mention of a score in the 1805 article is significant. Rarely are scores indicated in any of the reports of prisoner's base (prison base, prison bars, etc.) that I've come across. Usually they just indicate one side or the other as winner. There are a couple of exceptions. I know of one English example from 1737 where a newspaper reported on a match of prison-bars between eleven men from the city of Chester against a like number from the town of Flint in Wales. "The Cheshire gentlemen got 11, and the Flintshire gentlemen 2," it noted. I've also seen another English report from 1801, also of prison-bars, where one side was said to have "produced a majority of five prisoners." Still, George's example is American, where I suspect that, even at that early date, baseball was probably the more popular game of the two.</p></br><p>Regarding "baste," I have seen at least two dozen examples of the term "baste-ball" used in England in the 18th and 19th centuries. It's clear from context that this was an alternate spelling of base-ball, along with bass-ball. I don't doubt the same was true for the few instances of baste-ball's use in America.</p></br><p>"My opinion on whether that game was baseball or prisoner's base has gone back and forth over the years. As of now I tend to lean 60-40 to baseball. Other than the example from Chapman that John cited, I've never come across a use of the term bace to signify either game. Even if I had it wouldn't mean much as the word "base" has been used freely over the years for both of them. The mention of a score in the 1805 article is significant. Rarely are scores indicated in any of the reports of prisoner's base (prison base, prison bars, etc.) that I've come across. Usually they just indicate one side or the other as winner."</p></br><p>Best to all,<br/>David"</p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">John Thorn email of Feb., 25, 2024: </span></p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">"Hi, George. I found this thesis invaluable for my understanding of early ball play in New York, and thus for EDEN. Do you have it? Here's a Dropbox link [omitted] in case you don't.</span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;"><br/></span></p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">Once upon a time we had wondered about the location of the Gymnastic Ground, near Tyler's. I found this pretty compelling (before this pleasure ground was Tyler's, it was Brannon's):</span></p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">Some idea of the garden during Brannon's tenure can<br/>be gotten from scattered sources. In 1842, for a suit in<br/>the Court of Chancery involving the ownership of the Church<br/>Farm, a group of elderly men and women gave depositions<br/>describing this part of the city as they recalled it in the<br/>eighteenth century. <strong><em><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Several testified that the garden was<br/>enclosed by a fence; one testified that Brannon maintained<br/>a ball alley; and another owned that between 1789 and 1793,<br/>during his days as a student at Columbia College (then located<br/>on Church Street between Barclay and Murray), he and<br/>"the collegians were in the habit of frequenting . . .<br/>Brannon's Garden."</span></em></strong> [“Chancery Reports (Sandford), 4:716, 724, & 730.]</span></p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">I also have bound volumes of these chancery reports, which to my knowledge have not been digitized; I suppose I could check!</span></p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">Also, I append an item possibly missed by all of us, from the </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: xx-large;"><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">New-York Herald</span><span style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> </span></span>(New York, New York) May 4, 1805</p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">Note that the Columbia College clubs' game of bace is here rendered as <strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>basse.</em></span></strong> The mention of "hands in" fully persuades me that </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">this is a game of bat and ball."</span></p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;"><span>the game report first appeared in the New-York Evening Post of May 1, and next in The Herald of May 4.</span></span></p></br><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">David Block agrees</span></p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p>he mention of "hands in" fully persuades me that </span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">this is a game of bat and ball."</span></p> <p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;"><span>the game report first appeared in the New-York Evening Post of May 1, and next in The Herald of May 4.</span></span></p> <p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: large;">David Block agrees</span></p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p>)
  • 1818.4  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong><p><strong>Note:</strong> The original source of the 1818 reference may have been lost. Bob reports that Dean Sullivan thesis cited Harold Peterson's <span style="text-decoration: underline;">The Man Who Invented Baseball</span> (Charles Scribner's Sons, 1973), page 24. However, Peterson gives no source. A dead end?</p>), page 24. However, Peterson gives no source. A dead end?</p>)
  • 1700c.2  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> This book is in the form of a chronology. Barber gives no source for the wicket report.</p>)
  • 1850s.50  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong><p><strong>Note:</strong> This describes a scrub form of tutball/rounders.  It suggests that all hitting was forward, thus in effect using a foul line, as would make sense with a single fielder.</p></br><p>The claim that tutball and stoolball used the same rules is surprising; stoolball is fairly uniformly described as having but two bases or stools, and using a bat.</p>y described as having but two bases or stools, and using a bat.</p>)
  • 1844.6  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> Understanding the author's intent here is complicated by the fact that he was Canadian, Sam Slick was an American character, and the novel is set in Britain.</p>)
  • 1494c.1  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> We need better sources for the Columbus story.</p>)
  • 1824.6  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> see item #[[1829c.1]] below for Holmes' Harvard ballplaying.</p>)
  • 1788.2  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> "Nines seems an unusual name for a ball game; do we find it elsewhere? Could he have been denoting nine-pins or nine-holes? John Thorn, in 2/3/2008, says he inclines to nine-pins as the game alluded to.</p>)
  • 1864.58  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong><p><strong>Note:</strong>  </p></br><p>A few days earlier, Richard had noticed the use of "battery" in a July 26 game report:  see Supplementary Text, below.</p></br><p>The <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dickson Baseball Dictionary</span>, page 86, citing the Chadwick <em>Scrapbooks</em>, had the first use of "battery" as 1868 (third edition).</p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p></br><p> </p>first use of "battery" as 1868 (third edition).</p> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> </p>)
  • 1733.1  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> A bat had been described in Willughby's c.1672 account of hornebillets.  See [[1672c.2]].</p>)
  • 1841.15  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong><p><strong>Note:</strong> Melville is willing to identify the sport as the one that was played mostly in the CT-central and MA area . . . but it is conceivable that the writer intended to denote cricket instead? </p></br><p>From Bruce Allardise, December 2021: The original article is in the<em> New Orleans Times Picayune</em>, May 31, 1841, which references a reminisce in a {April 1841} Cleveland OH newspaper article.  [bsa]</p>eminisce in a {April 1841} Cleveland OH newspaper article.  [bsa]</p>)
  • 1550c.2  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> it would be interesting to see the original reference, and to know how 1550 was chosen as the reported year of play.</p> <p> </p> <p>Note: Derrick would have been about 10 years old in 1550.</p>)
  • 1816.1  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong> those streets intersect a half block from the Hall of Fame, right?</p>)
  • 1744.2  + (<p><strong>Note:</strong><p><strong>Note:</strong> we may want reassurance that the "Base-ball" poem appeared in the 1744 version. According to Thomas L. Altherr, "A Place Leavel Enough to Play Ball," reprinted in David Block, Baseball Before We Knew It, the 1767 London edition also has poems titled "Stoolball" [p. 88] and Trap-Ball.[p. 91]. According Zoernik in the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Encyclopedia of World Sports</span> [p.329], rounders is also referred to [we need to confirm this, as Rounders does not appear in the 1760 edition or the one from 1790.]. There was an American pirated edition in 1760, as per Henderson [ref #107]; David Block dates the American edition in 1762. He also notes that a 1767 revision features engravings for the four games.</p>ion features engravings for the four games.</p>)
  • 1850s.1  + (<p><strong>Note</strong>: the dates and circumstances and locations of these cases are unclear in Millen. One refers to plugging.</p>)
  • 1550c.1  + (<p><strong>Note</strong>: the inconsistencies among the preceding cricket entries in Protoball (see [[1478.1]]) need to be resolved . . . . or at least addressed</p>)
  • 1761.1  + (<p><strong>Note</strong><strong>: </strong>Princeton was known as the College of New Jersey until 1896.</p>)
  • 1787.1  + (<p><strong>Note</strong><strong>: </strong>Princeton was known as the College of New Jersey until 1896.</p>)
  • Ogden Club grounds  + (<p><strong>Ogden Park</stro<p><strong>Ogden Park</strong>, also known as <strong>Ogden Skating Park</strong>, was a recreational facility on the near north side of <a title="Chicago" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago">Chicago</a> around the 1860s and 1870s. It was home to the Ogden Skating Club. It was on a piece of land east of where Ontario Street (at that time) T-ed into Michigan Avenue. Today's Ontario Street continues several blocks eastward, through the site of that old park.</p></br><p>The first newspaper references to the park and the skating club appear in local newspapers in 1861, where its location was termed "the foot of Ontario Street". City directories for 1867 and 1869-70 give the location of "Ogden Skating Park" as "Ontario, corner Seneca." Seneca Street was one block east of St. Clair Street and two blocks east of Pine Street, which later became part of the extended Michigan Avenue. Seneca ran between Ontario Street and Illinois Street. It was erased as the land was developed. References to the park appear to cease after 1870. It was, of course, inside the burn zone of the <a title="Great Chicago Fire" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chicago_Fire">Great Chicago Fire</a> in the fall of 1871.</p></br><p>With no skating possible in the summer, baseball games were played at the park. Most of them were between local amateur ball clubs, but there were occasional professional games. On July 31, 1869, the park was the neutral site for a match between the <a title="Cincinnati Red Stockings" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_Red_Stockings">Cincinnati Red Stockings</a> and the <a title="Rockford Forest Citys" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockford_Forest_Citys">Rockford Forest Citys</a>. The Reds won 53-32. The game was close until Cincinnati score 19 in the sixth inning and 10 in the seventh.[Chicago <em>Tribune</em>, August 1, 1869, p.4] Several players on the teams, including Rockford pitcher <a title="Albert Spalding" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Spalding">Albert Spalding</a>, would later become stars for Chicago.</p></br><p>During 1870 the park was rented to the professional, then-independent baseball club, the <a class="mw-redirect" title="Chicago White Stockings (1870–89)" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_White_Stockings_(1870%E2%80%9389)">Chicago White Stockings</a>, as a practice field and for a number of regulation games, usually against local or lesser-known opponents, or sometimes even college teams.</p></br><p>Most of the ball club's "legitimate" games (as the <em>Chicago Tribune</em> termed them), against national professional teams (many of which would turn up in the <a title="National Association of Professional Base Ball Players" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Professional_Base_Ball_Players">National Association</a> the following year) were held at the <a title="Dexter Park (Chicago)" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_Park_(Chicago)">Dexter Park</a> race track near the stockyards.</p></br><p>Overall, the White Stockings played about half their games at each venue, during a home season that ranged from late May to mid-November. [wikipedia]</p> Stockings played about half their games at each venue, during a home season that ranged from late May to mid-November. [wikipedia]</p>)
  • F. Sanford  + (<p>A "Sandford" was listed as third <p>A "Sandford" was listed as third baseman in a July 1866, game. See http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85038519/1866-08-01/ed-1/seq-3/.</p></br><p>Listed as secretary at club's founding, but may have been replaced by Henry F. Roll later in the year. See <a href="http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85038521/1866-12-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85038521/1866-12-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf</a></p>rica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85038521/1866-12-01/ed-1/seq-5.pdf</a></p>)
  • In Sacramento in 1854  + (<p>A "game of ball" was played on 2nd street above the Columbia Hotel." <em>Sacramento Transcript</em>, April 1, 1851. The ball game is not specified.</p>)
  • Daybreak Club of Jackson  + (<p>A 1937 newspaper article claimed that a baseball game was played in Jackson on July 4, 1845. No source for this is given. See Morris, "Baseball Fever," citing the Jackson Citizen Patriot, Sept. 19. 1937</p>)
  • Whacks  + (<p>A 2017 web search for <whacks london street game> returns only the Gomme source.</p>)
  • Ontario Club of Oswego  + (<p>A BBC is mentioned in the Oswego Palladium, July 29, 1859, along with 2 cricket clubs and a wicket club.</p>)
  • White Stockings Club of Sycamore  + (<p>A Blackhawks Club existed in 1872. See Sycamore True Republican, Jan. 20, 1906</p>)
  • Chelsea Club of New York  + (<p>A Chelsea Jr. club mentioned in the New York <em>Clipper</em>, July 27, 1867</p>)
  • 1st Nine v 2d Nine on 29 November 1873  + (<p>A December 19 challenge notice describes the "FBBClub of Co. H 6th U. S. Cavalry.</p>)
  • In Providence in 1828  + (<p>A Dick Hefferline appears on the 1820 census for Providence. The reference is undoubtedly prior to 1828.</p>)
  • Grant Base Ball Club of Philadelphia  + (<p>A Grant club is said to have existed in 1865. See Philadelphia City Item, Oct. 7, 1865, Tholkes RIM. See Protoball 19C clippings. Aka U.S. Grant</p>)
  • Hancock Club of Boston  + (<p>A Hancock club of Boston played the MA game and was established in 1857. See Lovett, James D’Wolf; Old Boston Boys and the Games They Played; Little, Brown & Company; 1908, cited in Kittel Protoball article on the MA game.</p>)
  • Club of Amman  + (<p>A Palestine national baseball/sof<p>A Palestine national baseball/softball federation was formed in 2017, according to the World Baseball Softball Confederation (WSBC) website, headquartered in Ramallah. The city and area were once part of Jordan. The area is now governed by the Palestinian National Authority.</p> by the Palestinian National Authority.</p>)
  • Fox River Base Ball Club of McHenry  + (<p>A Puzzlers BBC was formed in 1876 in McHenry. McHenry <em>Plaindealer</em>, Aug. 30, 1876</p>)
  • Marble City Club of Lemont  + (<p>A South Lemon Reapers club was defeated 49-11 by the Lockport Sleepers in 1874. See Will County Courier, Aug. 19, 1874</p>)
  • Mt. Vernon Base Ball Club of Morgan Park  + (<p>A bb game was played in "Prospect<p>A bb game was played in "Prospect Park" on July 4, 1875. See Chicago Tribune, June 27, 1875. Is this the Prospect Park that is now located in Morgan Park? Or a separate community? There was a PP in what is now Clarendon Hills, and another near Bloomingdale.</p>rendon Hills, and another near Bloomingdale.</p>)
  • Lowell Club of Boston v Medford on 16 October 1861  + (<p>A brief account of this game, and a photo of the ball used in the game, is in the Boston Globe, Dec. 25, 1910.</p>)
  • Olympic Club of St. Louis  + (<p>A club of Washington University students? See St. Louis Post Dispatch, Nov. 17, 1968</p>)
  • Pesapallo  + (<p>A diagram of the game can be found at https://sites.psu.edu/ballgamesoftheworld/ball-and-bat-games/</p> <p>Pesapallo was a demonstration sport at the 1952 Olympics in Helsinki, Finland. [ba]</p>)
  • Union grounds, Cincinnati  + (<p>A drawing of the Union grounds is in the Our Game blog, April 8, 2019</p>)
  • Playground Ball  + (<p>A full explanation of Playground <p>A full explanation of Playground Ball can be found in the <em>Pensacola News Journal</em>, May 5, 1908. The game was designed to be playable in limited spaces.  10 players a side. The batter can run to either first or third. 5 inning games. A tally for each time a batter gets on base safely. Each side of the diamond 35 feet long. Pitcher 30 feet away from the batter. Bats are mere sticks no more than 2 inches in diameter. [ba]</p>mere sticks no more than 2 inches in diameter. [ba]</p>)
  • Washington Club of Brooklyn  + (<p>A junior club? See list of 1858 Brooklyn junior clubs at Chronologies 1858.47.</p>)
  • Massapoag Club of Sharon v Olympic Club of Boston on 29 June 1857  + (<p>A lengthy article on this game is in the Boston Globe, March 27, 1888</p>)
  • 1838.12  + (<p>A more detailed newspaper account<p>A more detailed newspaper account says that Fisher Ames' 12-year-old son, who was playing "ball" with some other boys, threw a ball at Moor, who then attacked the boy. The father rushed over and split Moor's skull with a "club."</p></br><p>Fisher Ames (1800-85) beat the murder rap. The son was probably Charles Ira Ames. [ba]</p></br><p>Bill Humber furnished the following account, from a local doctor: "Hazleton Moore.... was drunk and joined in the game of ball in front of the store. Something Ames said or did provoked him and instead of throwing the ball to him he threw it at him, when Ames rushed towards him and struck him with the club in the head. He ... died the next day. The inquest... resulted in the acquittal of Ames on my evidence, that the blow need not have been fatal had M's skull not been extraordinarily thin."</p></br><p>Another account, from 1890: "It was in 1837 that Hazleton Moore was killed. I was there at the time. Ames was a very passionate man, and his first blow might be excused on that ground, but he struck him twice, the second blow when he was lying insensible on the ground. The Americans.... bribed Moore's wife to say away, and her absence at the trial helped to get Ames off. She acted badly."</p>say away, and her absence at the trial helped to get Ames off. She acted badly."</p>)
  • 1862.11  + (<p>A note identifies this section as having been written in 1862, along with one that prohibits shaking carpets on public lands, including streets, lanes, alleys, etc.</p>)
  • 1860.20  + (<p>A political cartoon of the day sh<p>A political cartoon of the day showed Lincoln playing ball with other candidates. It can be viewed at  <a href="http://www.scvbb.org/images/image7/">http://www.scvbb.org/images/image7/</a>. </p></br><p>Thanks to Kyle DeCicco-Carey for the link.</p>t; <p>Thanks to Kyle DeCicco-Carey for the link.</p>)
  • 1830s.16  + (<p>A previous Protoball entry, liste<p>A previous Protoball entry, listed as #1840s.16: "He [Abraham Lincoln in the 1840s] joined with gusto in outdoor sports foot-races, jumping and hopping contests, town ball, wrestling . . . "  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Source: </span> a limited online version of the 1997 book edited by Douglas L Wilson and Rodney O. Davis, <span><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Herndon's Informant</span>s</span> (U of Illinois Press, 1997 or 1998). Posted to 19CBB on 12/11/2007 by Richard Hershberger. Richard notes that the index to the book promises several other references to Lincoln's ballplaying but [Jan. 2008] reports that the ones he has found are unspecific.. <strong>Note:</strong> can we chase this book down and collect those references?</p></br><p>Earlier versions of this find were submitted by Richard Hershberger (2007) and John Thorn (2004).  </p>tted by Richard Hershberger (2007) and John Thorn (2004).  </p>)