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- Moncrief Springs Park + (1874 Lee Club location)
- 1840s.46 + (<blockquote> <blockquote> < … <blockquote></br><blockquote></br><div id="divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr"></br><div class="_rp_i5"></br><div class="_rp_j5 rpHighlightBodyClass rpHighlightAllClass allowTextSelection"></br><div id="Item.MessageNormalizedBody" class="ms-font-color-neutralDark _rp_k5 ms-font-weight-regular"></br><div class="rps_66fe"></br><div class="x_hmmessage"></br><div>[] "I had always supposed that the balk rule was introduced by the crafters of the New York game, but this passage suggests it began to be practiced at some earlier time." David Block, 19CBB posting, 1/28/2014.</div></br><div> </div></br><div></br><p>[] "I wrote in my book [R. Hershberger. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Strike Four</span>, Rowman and Littlefield, 2019, page 37] that the balk rule seemed to be novel to the 1845 Knickerbocker rules. Evidently not. While this is two years later, it also is from [nearly] a hundred miles away in Kingston, NY, and presented as a homespun saying from the writer's youth." -- Richard Hershberger, 12/9/2020.</p></br><p>[]<em> Added Local color</em>: "Rondout has been, since 1870, an unincorporated hamlet within the city of Kingston (where I lived for decade; it was called "Rondout" because of its adjoining Roundout Creek, which fed into the Hudson River). The <em>Rondout Freeman</em> in its first incarnation may have indeed lasted till 1847 (founded 1845):<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/">https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/</a>.</p></br><p>"Hudson is a large city about 25 miles north of Kingston, on the other side of the Hudson River, in Columbia County. Today a bridge connects my hometown of Catskill (west bank) with Hudson (east bank). Taghkanic is the proper spelling of the tribe for whom today is named the Taconic Parkway." - John Thorn, email of 12/10/2020.</p></br><p>[]The terms <em>"balk</em>" and <em>"baulk"</em> are both used in period sources. As of December 2020, a search of "balk" fetches 91 hits in Richard Hershberger's generous <span style="text-decoration: underline;">19C Clippings</span> file; a "balk OR baulk" search yields 102 hits. There are no hits for "balk" or "Baulk" in David <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Block's file</span> on English baseball-like games.</p></br><p>[] As of 12/12/2020, Protoball has no other record of the balk prior to 1845. </p></br><p>For a succinct summary of our desultory learning about balks/baulks from 2010 to 2020, see the <strong>Supplementary Text</strong>, below.</p></br><p> </p></br><p><br/><br/></p></br></div></br></div></br></div></br></div></br></div></br></div></br></div></br></blockquote></br></blockquote>t balks/baulks from 2010 to 2020, see the <strong>Supplementary Text</strong>, below.</p> <p> </p> <p><br/><br/></p> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </blockquote>)
- 1830s.33 + (<blockquote> <div><span> … <blockquote></br><div><span>[] "Here is another early example of baseball terminology being used to illustrate a non-sports topic."</span></div></br><div><span> </span></div></br><div><span>The text appeared in the June 5, 1847 issue of the <em>Roundout Freeman</em> (Roundout was a Hudson River community that has since been swallowed by the town of Kingston).</span></div></br><div><span> </span></div></br><div></br><div>"I had always supposed that the balk rule was introduced by the crafters of the New York game, but this passage suggests it began to be practiced at some earlier time."</div></br><div> </div></br><div>-- David Block, 11/12/2010</div></br></div></br><div><span> </span></div></br><div><span><span>[] "I wrote in my book [R. Hershberger. <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Strike Four,</span> Rowman and Littlefield, 2019, page 37] that the balk rule seemed to be novel to the 1845 Knickerbocker rules. Evidently not. While this is two years later, it also is from [nearly] a hundred miles away in Kingston, NY, and presented as a homespun saying from the writer's youth." -- Richard Hershberger, 19CBB posting, 12/9/2020</span></span></div></br><div><span><span> </span></span></div></br><div><span><span>[] John Thorn, email of 1/31/2023: "This will testify to the antiquity of the balk rule and give a hint that it meant a feint." -- John Thorn, 1/31/2023 </span></span></div></br><div><span><span> </span></span></div></br><div>[] As of February 2023, Protoball has no other data on pre-1845 balk rules. Richard Hershberger hasn't found any yet.</div></br><div> </div></br><div>[] Added Local color: "Rondout has been since 1870, an unincorporated hamlet within the city of Kingston (where I lived for decade; it was called "Rondout" because of its adjoining Roundout Creek, which fed into the Hudson River). The <em>Rondout Freeman</em> in its first incarnation may have indeed lasted till 1847 (founded 1845):<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/">https://www.loc.gov/item/sn86071034/</a>.</div></br><div></br><p>"Hudson is a large city about 25 miles north of Kingston, on the other side of the Hudson River, in Columbia County. Today a bridge connects my hometown of Catskill (west bank) with Hudson (east bank). Taghkanic is the proper spelling of the tribe for whom today is named the Taconic Parkway." </p></br><p>-- John Thorn, email of 12/10/2020.</p></br><p> </p></br><span><span><br/></span></span></div></br></blockquote>on the other side of the Hudson River, in Columbia County. Today a bridge connects my hometown of Catskill (west bank) with Hudson (east bank). Taghkanic is the proper spelling of the tribe for whom today is named the Taconic Parkway." </p> <p>-- John Thorn, email of 12/10/2020.</p> <p> </p> <span><span><br/></span></span></div> </blockquote>)
- Star Club of Galena + (<br>)
- Clipper Club of Van Buren + (<br>)
- Augusta Base Ball Grounds + (<br>)
- Excelsior Grounds II near Red Hook + (<br>)
- Pierre Reds of Pierre + (<br>)
- Mystic Club of Oxford Academy + (<br>)
- Old Timers v Newcomers on 28 October 1906 + (<br>)
- Club of Rushford + (<br>)
- In Mankato in 1864 + (<br>)
- Lone Nine Club of Ashland + (<br>)
- Montgomery Club of Ashland + (<br>)
- Red Caps Club of Ashland + (<br>)
- Plow Boy Club of Riverside + (<br>)
- 1864.98 + (<br>)
- Independent Club of Dundas + (<br>)
- Chicago Tribune Compositors + (<br>)
- Chicago Evening Post Reporters + (<br>)
- Nelke and Co. Nine + (<br>)
- Genesee Club of Wellsville + (<br>)
- Nationals Club of Taylorville + (<br>)
- Club of Taylorville + (<br>)
- Star Club of Morton + (<br>)
- Cragin Brothers Hardware Store Club of Chicago + (<br>)
- Juniors Club of Valparaiso + (<br>)
- Grove City Club of Crown Point + (<br>)
- Silver Star Club of Yorkville + (<br>)
- Lone Star Club of New Orleans v Southern Club of New Orleans on 25 July 1869 + (<br>)
- Club of Haydenville + (<br>)
- Clarendon Club of New York + (<br>)
- Blue Stocking Club of Cleves + (<br>)
- Star Club of Randolph + (<br>)
- Seneca Club of Troy + (<br>)
- Counter-Jumpers Club of Amboy + (<br>)
- Club of Blandinsville + (<br>)
- Shakespeare Club of Bunker Hill + (<br>)
- U.S. Assessor's Office Club of Chicago + (<br>)
- Magneta Club of Cairo + (<br>)
- Caterpillar Club of Cairo + (<br>)
- Stag Club of Camden + (<br>)
- Normal Club of Carlyle + (<br>)
- Athletic Club of Jerseyville + (<br>)
- Grand Army of the Republic Club of Rockford + (<br>)
- Printers Club of Rockford + (<br>)
- East Rockford Club of Rockford + (<br>)
- Independent Club of Prairie Creek Township + (<br>)
- Cricket Club of Binghamton + (<br>)
- Union Club of Bloomfield v Washington Club of Newark on 24 July 1858 + (<br>)
- Jackson Club of Brooklyn v Washington Club of Brooklyn on 23 September 1858 + (<br>)
- Oriental Club of Greenpoint v Niagara Club of Brooklyn on 27 October 1858 + (<br>)
- Buffalo Club of Buffalo v Frontier Club of Buffalo on 16 October 1858 + (<br>)
- Osceola Club of Jersey City v Enterprise Club of Jersey City on 15 July 1859 + (<br>)
- 1862.115 + (<br>)
- Pioneer Club of Oak Park + (<br>)
- In Austin on 4 July 1872 + (<br>)
- Shoo Fly Club of Bowling Green + (<br>)
- Assawampsett Club of Middelborough Academy and High School + (<br>)
- Old Colony Club of East Taunton + (<br>)
- Defiance Club of Youngstown Borough + (<br>)
- Erin Club of Knoxville + (<br>)
- Bright Eagle Club of Knoxville + (<br>)
- Club of Brunswick High School + (<br>)
- Franklin Club of White Rock + (<br>)
- Pacific Club of Boston + (<br>)
- Club of Mt. Forest + (<br>)
- Putnam Jr. Club of Brooklyn v Union Club of New York on 28 July 1860 + (<br>)
- Union Club of Elizabeth v Aetna Club of Elizabeth on 13 July 1860 + (<br>)
- Putnam Club of Brooklyn v Estelle Club of Brooklyn on 17 November 1860 + (<br>)
- Aurora Club of Mount Vernon v National Club of Brooklyn on 8 September 1860 + (<br>)
- Eureka Club of Newark v Hamilton Club of Jersey City on 7 June 1860 + (<br>)
- Suffolk Club of Patchogue v Lafayette Club of Hempstead on 1 November 1860 + (<br>)
- Club of Rhinebeck v Alert Club of Red Hook on 20 October 1860 + (<br>)
- Marion Club of Brooklyn v Roanoke Club of Brooklyn on 25 August 1860 + (<br>)
- Benecia Boy Club of Brooklyn v Marion Club of Brooklyn on 9 October 1860 + (<br>)
- Unknown Club of New York v Harlem Jr. Club of New York on 30 August 1860 + (<br>)
- Liberty Club of New York v Central Club of Brooklyn on 11 September 1860 + (<br>)
- Star Club of Newark v Union Club on 29 June 1861 + (<br>)
- Daybreak Club of Jackson v Monitor Club of Ann Arbor on 23 June 1862 + (<br>)
- Pacific Club of Brooklyn v Elmer Club of Brooklyn on 6 August 1862 + (<br>)
- Constellation Club of Mount Vernon v Spuyten Duyvil Club of Spuyten Duyvil on 25 October 1862 + (<br>)
- Club of Clarksville, MO + (<br>)
- Dowagiac Base Ball Club v Monitor Club of Niles on 19 June 1863 + (<br>)
- Knickerbocker Club of Albany v Conqueror Club of West Troy on 17 October 1863 + (<br>)
- Union Club of Brooklyn v Resolute Club of Brooklyn on 29 October 1863 + (<br>)
- Excelsior Club of New Utrecht v Gotham Jr. Club of New York on 24 August 1863 + (<br>)
- National Club of Washington v Pastime Club of Baltimore on 6 August 1863 + (<br>)
- Eclipse Club of New Orleans v Eclipse Club of New Orleans on 27 November 1859 + (<br>)
- Excelsior Club of Baltimore v Excelsior Club of Baltimore on 28 April 1860 + (<br>)
- Yale University Club of New Haven v Yale University Club of New Haven on 2 December 1865 + (<br>)
- Nonotuck Club of Northampton v Union club of Northampton on 7 October 1858 + (<br>)
- In Augusta + (<br>)
- In Boston Circa 1850 + (<br>)
- In Leavenworth Circa 1840 + (<br>)
- In Poultney Circa 1823 + (<br>)
- Trinidad Cricket Club in 1883 + (<br>)
- Central Park + (<div class="date">JULY 28, 1868, THE … <div class="date">JULY 28, 1868, THE NEW YORK TIMES, July 23, 1868 On pg. 3 under "Base Ball" are the two box scores of games played in Central Park, each with a very brief, one sentence summary. The first game was played between the Dexter and Henrietta clubs, and the second between the Dexter and Resolute clubs.</div>ond between the Dexter and Resolute clubs.</div>)
- 1845.31 + (<div class="gmail_default"> </div … <div class="gmail_default"> </div></br><div class="gmail_default"> </div></br><div class="gmail_default">George Thompson, 1/13/21: "When New Yorkers said "the Park" in the first half of the 19th century, they meant the Park in front of City Hall. Not a big area, and today at least it's so cluttered with benches and a fountain that it doesn't seem possible to play a game that involves running about.</div></br><div class="gmail_default">I will check my notes to see if there is an indication of whether the Park was more open then."</div></br><div class="gmail_default"> </div></br><div class="gmail_default">John Thorn, 1/13/21: "certain lines in the 1845 Atlas note were *also* used by Whitman in his now-famous "sundown perambulations of late" note of July 23, 1846!! . . . . Was Whitman the author of the 1845 <em>Atlas </em>note? Did he later plagiarize himself, or an unnamed other?" </br><div id="ydp55524770yahoo_quoted_1400461541" class="ydp55524770yahoo_quoted"></br><div id="ydp55524770yiv9689899570"></br><p><span><strong>Note: </strong>Whitman's text is at </span><a class="ydp55524770yiv9689899570moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/opening-day-e5f9021c5dda" rel="nofollow">https://ourgame.mlblogs.com/opening-day-e5f9021c5dda</a>. Whitman's appreciation of base ball is also shown at [[1846.6]], [[1855.9]], and [[1858.25]].</p></br><p><span> </span></p></br><p><span> </span></p></br><p><span> </span></p></br></div></br></div></br></div></p> <p><span> </span></p> <p><span> </span></p> <p><span> </span></p> </div> </div> </div>)
- 1870.11 + (<div class="kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab … <div class="kvgmc6g5 cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q"></br><div dir="auto">Richard Hershberger, <span><em>150 years ago in baseball</em>, FB posting 10/29/2020:</span></div></br><div dir="auto"><span> </span></div></br><div dir="auto">Chadwick on the improvement of the Chicago Club. They wisely took his advice and switched from a lively to a dead ball. Success inevitably followed.</div></br><div dir="auto"> </div></br></div></br><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q"></br><div dir="auto">Much as I enjoy tweaking Chad for this sort of thing, in fairness it was pretty standard in this era. A newspaper would publish helpful advice to the local club. If the club did something that could plausibly be taken as consistent with the helpful advice, the paper would claim credit for the suggestion. Say what you will about modern sports talk radio, even those guys don't usually claim that the GM turns to them for trade ideas.</div></br><div dir="auto"> </div></br></div></br><div class="o9v6fnle cxmmr5t8 oygrvhab hcukyx3x c1et5uql ii04i59q"></br><div dir="auto">Does the claim about the deal ball make a lick of sense? It is classic Chad, but there is a kernel of truth. Good and poor fielding teams generally favored a dead or lively ball respectively, on the grounds that a dead ball gave the infielders a chance to show their stuff while a lively ball was more likely to get to the outfield. The Red Stockings revolution was mostly about improved fielding, so they favored a dead ball. As clubs' fielding caught up, they followed suit. The eventual consensus was a relatively dead ball, with later discussions being how live or not, within the range of a relatively dead ball. So as the White Stockings got their act together, it is entirely plausible that they moved to a dead ball. In other words, they didn't get getter because they switched to a dead ball; they switched to a dead ball because they got better. And certainly not because Chadwick convinced them. </div></br></div>et getter because they switched to a dead ball; they switched to a dead ball because they got better. And certainly not because Chadwick convinced them. </div> </div>)