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  • 1750s.2  + (<p> </p> <p>Prisoner's base is not a ball game, and bull-pen is not a safe-haven game.</p>)
  • 1868c.5  + (<p> </p> <p>Richard Hers<p> </p></br><p>Richard Hershberger notes, 9/12/2017:</p></br><p>"My opinion has been that this is unsubstantiated, but plausible.  I want to focus here on the bit about the writer's nephew working for Harwood.  I just made the connection with this description of baseball manufacture, from four years earlier:</p></br><p><br/>'On the upper floor of the establishment sat several men with baskets of dampened chamois and buckskin clippings at their sides.  Before each workman stood a stout piece of joist, in the end of which was inserted a mold, hemispherical in shape, in which the balls are formed.  Taking a handful of cuttings from the basket, the workman pressed them together in his hands and then worked about the mass a few yards of strong woollen yarn.  Placing the embryo ball in the mold, he pounded it into shape with a heavy flat mallet, and then wound on more yarn and gave the ball another pounding.  After testing its weight on a pair of scales and its diameter with a tape measure he threw the ball into a basket and began another.  When the newly-made balls are thoroughly dried they are carried to the sewing-room on the floor below, where they are to receive their covers.  Forty young women sat at tables sewing on the covers of horse-hide.  Grasping a ball firmly in her left hand, with her right hand one of the young women thrust a three-cornered needle through the thick pieces of the cover and drew them firmly together.  A smart girl can cover two or three dozen of the best and eight dozen of the cheaper grades of balls in a day.  The wages earned weekly range from $7 to $9.  The balls are afterward taken to the packing-room, where the seams are smoothed down and the proper stamps are put on.  The best balls are made entirely of yarn and India-rubber. “My brother was one of the pioneers in this business,” said the manufacturer.  “He was the inventor of the two-piece cover now in general use throughout the country.  If my brother had only patented his invention the members of our family would not be wearing diamonds instead of bits of white glass in our shirt fronts.  Ball-covers are made, almost without exception, of horse-hide, which costs $3 a side.  We used to obtain our supply from John Cart, a leather dealer in the Swamp for nearly thirty-five years.  We are obliged to go to Philadelphia now, there being no merchant here who keeps horse-hide leather.  The capacity of our factory when we get our new molding machines in working order will be about 15,000 daily, each machine being expected to turn out 1,200 balls daily.'  (<em>St. Louis Post-Dispatch</em> June 14, 1884, quoting the <em>New York Tribune</em>)</p></br><p><br/>"It is the second paragraph that jumped out at me.  Was C. H. Jackson's nephew working for Harwood because that was his father's business?  It seems plausible.  The Post-Dispatch piece doesn't identify the manufacturer, or even the city.  I have been unable to find the Tribune original.  If anyone else can, this might shed some light on the question.  Or confuse it further."</p>)
  • 1872.5  + (<p> </p> <p>Richard Hers<p> </p></br><p>Richard Hershberger, <em>150 years ago in baseball </em>(FB posting, 4/4/2022)</p></br><p>"Chadwick on amateur clubs. He is optimistic that amateur baseball will be more popular than ever, since the existence of separate amateur and professional associations ensures that no one will mistake an amateur player as being a professional.</p></br><p><br/><span>There is a lot of classic Chad here. He hopes for an amateur "revival," and so reports that it will happen. He quietly passes over the detail that there were separate associations last year, too. He defines professionals as members of any club that "either pays its players regular salaries or pays them by a share of gate receipts." Then in the next paragraph he adds a class of "quasi amateur organizations" without explaining what these are. This is Chad in his ideologically-motivated hand-waving mode.</span><br/><br/><span>In reality there is no need for a revival. Amateur baseball was doing just fine. Chad is right that there were far more amateur teams than professional. The same is true today. It could hardly be otherwise. But notice the three specific clubs he identifies: the Knickerbockers, Gothams, and Excelsiors. These are the kind of amateur clubs he likes, on the old fraternal club model. This model is, in 1872, irrelevant. Those three clubs are dinosaurs. The amateur club of this era is nine guys, with perhaps one or two substitutes, organized for the purpose of playing--and beating!--other, similarly organized clubs. These clubs are amateur or semi-professional or professional precisely to the extent that they can persuade people to pay to watch them play. Chadwick's idea of how baseball should be organized is a thing of the past. He will figure this out eventually, but we need to give him time to process." </span></p>rganized is a thing of the past. He will figure this out eventually, but we need to give him time to process." </span></p>)
  • 1832.11  + (<p> </p> <p>See [[1831.7]] for an earlier  assembly involving the same two hosts. </p>)
  • 1802.3  + (<p> </p> <p>Tom Altherr <p> </p></br><p>Tom Altherr comments that while Mrs. Bascom disdained such activities on Sundays, she had "left valuable evidence of the seemingly commonplace status ball play had in her day in the South.  Moreover, despite the ambiguity of her [May 9] diary entry, African Americans may have been playing ball, perhaps even with whites."  </p>g ball, perhaps even with whites."  </p>)
  • The Union Hall Game of Ball  + (<p> </p> <p>Was this sch<p> </p></br><p>Was this schoolyard game a significant step in the evolution toward modern base ball? </p></br><p>We welcome input on the nature and place of the Union Hall game in the evolution of modern base ball.</p></br><p>Protoball has seen many references to what amounts to foul territory in single wicket cricket, but all of them seem to simply disallow base-running when a hit ball goes past the batter.  Was the use of foul ground for forward hits common in American ballplaying?</p>foul ground for forward hits common in American ballplaying?</p>)
  • 1845.16  + (<p> </p> <p>[] Richard H<p> </p></br><p>[] Richard Hershberger adds that one can not be sure that these were the same sides that played on October 21/25, noting that the <em>Morning Post</em> refers here just to New York "players", and not to the New York Club.</p></br><p>[] See also [[1845.4]] for the October 21/25 games.</p></br><p>[] John Thorn, 11/16/2022, points out that "<span>Eight to the side was the norm in 1845, as Adams had not yet created the position of shortstop."</span></p></br><p><span>[] In January 2023, a further question arose: Was this game played by modern rules?  Could base ball's first known match game have been played in Brooklyn . . . . and on a cricket pitch?  It was evidently played to 21 runs, and its eight players preceded the invention of a 9th, a shortstop. </span></p></br><p><span>Bob Tholkes, to Protoball, 1/30/2023: "<span>It’s a judgement. Wheaton, the writer of the Knick rules umpired the later two [1845 matches] so I’ve assumed they were played by them…don’t know that about the first game." </span><br/></span></p></br><p> </p>were played by them…don’t know that about the first game." </span><br/></span></p> <p> </p>)
  • Richmond Club of Richmond  + (<p> </p> <table class="stat<p> </p></br><table class="stats"></br><tbody></br><tr></br><td></br><p>"Baseball didn't take root in Richmond until 1866, and the pioneer appears to have been Alexander Babcock, a New Yorker who played for Atlantic of Brooklyn in the 1850s, but went south and fought for the Confederacy, settling in Richmond after the war. He founded the Richmond Club, probably the first there, and then the Pastimes, which was a sort of City All-Stars and touring team."  -- Bill Hicklin, 10/5/2020</p></br></td></br></tr></br></tbody></br></table>uring team."  -- Bill Hicklin, 10/5/2020</p> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>)
  • 1855.5  + (<p> <strong>Note:</strong&g<p> <strong>Note:</strong> Seymour did not name the seven listed clubs; drat.</p></br><p>As of mid-2013, Protoball lists a total of 30 clubs operating in the NYC area New York State:  <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>nine</em></span> were in Brooklyn (Atlantic, Bedford, Columbia, Continental, Eckford, Excelsior, Harmony, Putnam, and Washington), <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>five</em></span> in Manhattan (Baltic, Eagle, Empire, Gotham, and Knickerbocker -- all but the Baltic playing one or more games at Hoboken), <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><em>two</em></span> (Atlantic of Jamaica, Astoria) in Queens, and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">two</span> (Union, Young America) in Morrisania [Bronx].  See [[<a>http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NY</a>]]  In addition, <em>twelve</em> clubs are listed in New Jersey (Empire, Excelsior, Fear Not, Newark Senior, Newark Junior, Oriental-cum-Olympic, Pavonia, Palisades, Pioneer, St. John, and Washington). See[[<a>http://protoball.org/Clubs_in_NJ</a>]]. </p></br><p>These clubs played in about 35 reported match games; over fifteen reports of intramural play are also known.  There are reports of only one junior club (in NJ) and match play by one "second nine" (a Knickerbocker match game).</p></br><p>Corrections and additions are welcome. </p>nior club (in NJ) and match play by one "second nine" (a Knickerbocker match game).</p> <p>Corrections and additions are welcome. </p>)
  • 1826.3  + (<p> <strong>Note</strong><p> <strong>Note</strong> that this find comes five years before town ball is seen in Philadelphia.</p></br><p> From Bruce Allardice, email of 6/9/2021:</p></br><div dir="ltr"><span>"In the year 1823, Dr. John G. Coffin, established a journal in Boston entitled, <em>"The Boston Medical Intelligencer</em>, devoted to the cause of physical education, and to the means of preventing and curing diseases." The motto in the title page was as follows :- "The best part of the medical art, is the avoiding of pain." This journal some five or six years afterward, became the "<em>Boston Medical and Surgical Journal</em>," "</span></div></br><div dir="ltr"><span> </span></div></br><div dir="ltr"><span>Dr. John G. Coffin (1769-1828), married. Eliza Rice.</span></div></br><div dir="ltr"><span> </span></div></br><div dir="ltr"><span>This is undoubtedly one of the petitioners for the gymnasium.</span></div></br><div dir="ltr"><span>The mentioned William Sullivan is probably Judge William Sullivan (1774-1839), a prominent local politician and lawyer.</span></div></br><p> </p>ymnasium.</span></div> <div dir="ltr"><span>The mentioned William Sullivan is probably Judge William Sullivan (1774-1839), a prominent local politician and lawyer.</span></div> <p> </p>)
  • Seabury Base Ball Club of Faribault  + (<p> It had 3045 residents in 1870.</p>)
  • 1850s.33  + (<p> It is interesting that the game <p> It is interesting that the game of wicket is not mentioned, given Ashland's location in western MA.</p></br><p>As of Jan 2013, this is one of three uses of "gool" instead of "goal" in ballplaying entries, all in the 1850s and found in western MA and ME.  [To confirm/update, do an enhanced search for "gool".]  This is the only entry that uses "gool" as the actual name of the game.</p>es "gool" as the actual name of the game.</p>)
  • 1853.11  + (<p> Pownal ME is about 20 miles north of Portland.</p>)
  • 1828c.3  + (<p> Priscilla Astifan has looked hard for such an article, and it resists finding.  She suspects the article appeared in a newspaper whose contents were not preserved.</p>)
  • 1861.13  + (<p> Ravenna OH is about 35 miles SE of Cleveland in eastern Ohio.</p>)
  • 1861.12  + (<p> Sanford ME is about 30 miles N of Portsmouth NH, near the NH border.</p>)
  • 1840c.26  + (<p> See also 1837c.12</p> <p>Craig reported that Oakey, 65 years old in 1894, had attended Erasmus Hall from 1838 to 1845.</p> <p>David Dyte added details in a July 3, 2009 19CBB posting. </p> <p> </p>)
  • 1660c.3  + (<p>(Jacobs) says that unfortunately "balslaen" has been translated as cricket but it simply means hitting the ball.</p>)
  • Eagle Base Ball Club of New York v Eckford Club of Brooklyn on 23 July 1861  + (<p>17 total home runs hit in the match, 11 by the Eckford and 6 by the Eagle.  Josh Snyder, SS for the Eckford, hit four.</p> <p>Eckford CF, John Snyder, hurt his knee in the ninth inning and was replaced by Wm. Brown.</p>)
  • Club of Albany  + (<p>1882 African American ball club</p>)