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{{Chronology Entry | {{Chronology Entry | ||
|Year=1849 | |Year=1849 | ||
|Year Suffix=c | |Year Suffix=c | ||
|Salience= | |Year Number=4 | ||
|Headline=A. G. Mills, Friend Recall "Base Ball" at a Brooklyn School | |||
|Salience=1 | |||
|Tags=Famous, Pre-modern Rules, | |||
|Country=United States | |||
|Coordinates=40.6845766, -73.88390600000002 | |||
|State=NY | |||
|City=Jamaica, Brooklyn | |||
|Game=Base Ball | |Game=Base Ball | ||
|Text=<p>Mills to Cogswell: | |Immediacy of Report=Retrospective | ||
<p>Cogswell to Mills: | |Age of Players=Youth | ||
|Text=<p>A. G. Mills and schoolmate W. S. Cogswell exchanged letters, 55 years later, on the plugging game they called "base ball" as youths.</p> | |||
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Mills to Cogswell 1/10/1905:</span> "Among the vivid recollections of my early life at Union Hall Academy [of Jamaica, Long Island, NY] is a game of ball in which I played, where the boys of the side at bat were put out by being hit with the ball. My recollection is that we had first base near the batsman's position; the second base was a tree at some distance, and the third base was the home base, also near the batsman's position."</p> | |||
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Cogswell to Mills 1/19/1905</span>: "My recollection of the game of Base Ball, as we played it for years at Union Hall, say from 1849 to 1856, is quite clear. "</p> | |||
<p>"You are quite right about the three bases, their location and the third base being home.</p> | <p>"You are quite right about the three bases, their location and the third base being home.</p> | ||
<p>"The batsman in making a hit went to the first base, unless the ball was caught either on a fly or on first bound. | <p>"The batsman in making a hit went to the first base, unless the ball was caught either on a fly or on first bound. In running the bases he was out by being touched or hit with the ball while further from any base than he could jump. The bases were not manned, the ball being thrown at a runner while trying for a base. The striker was not obliged to strike till he thought he had a good ball, but was out the first time he missed the ball when striking, and it was caught by the catcher either on the fly or on the first bound. There was no limit to the number of players and a side was not out till all the players had been disposed of. If the last player could make three home runs that put the side back in again. When there were but few players there was a rule against 'Screwing,' i.e., making strikes that would be called 'foul.' We used flat bats, and it was considered quite an art to be able to "screw" well, as that sent the ball away from the bases."</p> | ||
<p>A. G. Mills letter to Colonel Wm S. Cogswell, January 10, 1905, and Wm. S. Cogswell letter to A. G. Mills, January 19, 1905. | <p> </p> | ||
|Sources=<p>A. G. Mills letter to Colonel Wm S. Cogswell, January 10, 1905, and Wm. S. Cogswell letter to A. G. Mills, January 19, 1905. From the Mills Collection, Giamatti Center, HOF. Thanks to Jeremy LeBlanc for information on Union Hall Academy (email, 9/23/2007).</p> | |||
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Note:</span> This exchange and its significance are treated in John Thorn's <em>Baseball in the Garden of Eden </em>(Simon and Shuster, 2011), page 27.</p> | |||
|Comment=<p>John Thorn notes that in 1905 Mills was beginning to gather evidence for use in his report on base ball's beginnings. (Email of 1/4/2016).</p> | |||
<p>John identifies the game as "three cornered cat" (email, 1/3/2016). The game of Corner Ball is known from the 1830s to about 1860, but is usually seen as a form of dodge ball played mostly by youths and lacking batting and baserunning. Is it possible that Corner Ball morphed, retaining its essential plugging but adding batting and base advancement, by the time it was played in the Brooklyn school? Was this a transitional form of base ball?</p> | |||
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| Text | A. G. Mills and schoolmate W. S. Cogswell exchanged letters, 55 years later, on the plugging game they called "base ball" as youths. Mills to Cogswell 1/10/1905: "Among the vivid recollections of my early life at Union Hall Academy [of Jamaica, Long Island, NY] is a game of ball in which I played, where the boys of the side at bat were put out by being hit with the ball. My recollection is that we had first base near the batsman's position; the second base was a tree at some distance, and the third base was the home base, also near the batsman's position." Cogswell to Mills 1/19/1905: "My recollection of the game of Base Ball, as we played it for years at Union Hall, say from 1849 to 1856, is quite clear. " "You are quite right about the three bases, their location and the third base being home. "The batsman in making a hit went to the first base, unless the ball was caught either on a fly or on first bound. In running the bases he was out by being touched or hit with the ball while further from any base than he could jump. The bases were not manned, the ball being thrown at a runner while trying for a base. The striker was not obliged to strike till he thought he had a good ball, but was out the first time he missed the ball when striking, and it was caught by the catcher either on the fly or on the first bound. There was no limit to the number of players and a side was not out till all the players had been disposed of. If the last player could make three home runs that put the side back in again. When there were but few players there was a rule against 'Screwing,' i.e., making strikes that would be called 'foul.' We used flat bats, and it was considered quite an art to be able to "screw" well, as that sent the ball away from the bases."
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| Sources | A. G. Mills letter to Colonel Wm S. Cogswell, January 10, 1905, and Wm. S. Cogswell letter to A. G. Mills, January 19, 1905. From the Mills Collection, Giamatti Center, HOF. Thanks to Jeremy LeBlanc for information on Union Hall Academy (email, 9/23/2007). Note: This exchange and its significance are treated in John Thorn's Baseball in the Garden of Eden (Simon and Shuster, 2011), page 27. |
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| Comment | John Thorn notes that in 1905 Mills was beginning to gather evidence for use in his report on base ball's beginnings. (Email of 1/4/2016). John identifies the game as "three cornered cat" (email, 1/3/2016). The game of Corner Ball is known from the 1830s to about 1860, but is usually seen as a form of dodge ball played mostly by youths and lacking batting and baserunning. Is it possible that Corner Ball morphed, retaining its essential plugging but adding batting and base advancement, by the time it was played in the Brooklyn school? Was this a transitional form of base ball? Edit with form to add a comment |
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