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|Headline=In Rare Extramural Game, Knickerbockers Fade, Lose in Base Ball Game with Cricketers | |Headline=In Rare Extramural Game, Knickerbockers Fade, Lose 26-17 in Base Ball Game with Cricketers | ||
|Salience=2 | |Salience=2 | ||
|Tags=US cricket clubs | |Tags=US cricket clubs, | ||
|Location=NYC | |Location=NYC | ||
|Country= | |Country=United States | ||
|Coordinates= | |Coordinates=40.7830603, -73.9712488 | ||
|State= | |State=NY | ||
|City= | |City=Manhattan | ||
|Modern Address= | |Modern Address= | ||
|Game= | |Game=Base Ball | ||
|Immediacy of Report= | |Immediacy of Report=Contemporary | ||
|Age of Players=Adult | |||
|Holiday= | |Holiday= | ||
|Notables= | |Notables= | ||
|Text= | |Text=<p>"AMATEUR GAMES -- The Manhattan Cricket Club played baseball with the Knickerbockers on the 28th [August 1872] . . . . The game was close till the eight inning, when the cricketers got in a streak of batting and the Knicks had to field one short . . . " </p> | ||
|Sources=<p><em>New York Sunday Mercury,</em> September 1, 1872.</p> | |Sources=<p><em>New York Sunday Mercury,</em> September 1, 1872.</p> | ||
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<p>The Manhattan Cricket Club beats the Knickerbocker Base Ball Club 26-17. To be absolutely clear, they were playing baseball. Cricket and baseball clubs playing one another in one or both games was an established practice in this era. Generally the baseball team won at baseball and the cricket team won at cricket. When a team won at the other's game it usually was a case of ridiculously great disparity of athleticism. Imagine a modern MLB team, given a reasonable time to learn the rudiments, playing a rec league amateur cricket team. Or, taking it the other direction, an India Premier League team playing an American rec league baseball team.</p> | <p>The Manhattan Cricket Club beats the Knickerbocker Base Ball Club 26-17. To be absolutely clear, they were playing baseball. Cricket and baseball clubs playing one another in one or both games was an established practice in this era. Generally the baseball team won at baseball and the cricket team won at cricket. When a team won at the other's game it usually was a case of ridiculously great disparity of athleticism. Imagine a modern MLB team, given a reasonable time to learn the rudiments, playing a rec league amateur cricket team. Or, taking it the other direction, an India Premier League team playing an American rec league baseball team.</p> | ||
<p><span>This provides the explanation for the Knickerbockers' loss: They were really, really Not Good. Indeed, they never had been, except for a few years in the mid-1850s when their greater experience sufficed to make them respectable. In their defense, they weren't trying to be good. They were trying to combine exercise and socializing. They were generally successful at this. But on the rare occasions they played an outside game, the results could be ugly. </span></p> | <p><span>This provides the explanation for the Knickerbockers' loss: They were really, really Not Good. Indeed, they never had been, except for a few years in the mid-1850s when their greater experience sufficed to make them respectable. In their defense, they weren't trying to be good. They were trying to combine exercise and socializing. They were generally successful at this. But on the rare occasions they played an outside game, the results could be ugly. </span></p> | ||
|Query= | |Query=<p>[] Do we recognize any Knickerbocker players in this 1872 line-up?</p> | ||
|Source Image= | <p>[] Was it common to call the club "The Knicks" in 1872?</p> | ||
|Source Image=Knicks-Cricketers 1872.jpg | |||
|External Number= | |External Number= | ||
|Submitted by= | |Submitted by=Richard Hershberger | ||
|Submission Note= | |Submission Note=FB posting of 8/28/2022 | ||
|Reviewed=Yes | |Reviewed=Yes | ||
|Has Supplemental Text=No | |Has Supplemental Text=No | ||
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| Tags | US cricket clubsUS cricket clubs |
| Location | NYCNYC |
| City/State/Country: | Manhattan, NY, United States |
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| Game | Base BallBase Ball |
| Immediacy of Report | Contemporary |
| Age of Players | AdultAdult |
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| Text | "AMATEUR GAMES -- The Manhattan Cricket Club played baseball with the Knickerbockers on the 28th [August 1872] . . . . The game was close till the eight inning, when the cricketers got in a streak of batting and the Knicks had to field one short . . . " |
| Sources | New York Sunday Mercury, September 1, 1872. |
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| Comment | Richard Hershberger, 150 years ago today in baseball: The Manhattan Cricket Club beats the Knickerbocker Base Ball Club 26-17. To be absolutely clear, they were playing baseball. Cricket and baseball clubs playing one another in one or both games was an established practice in this era. Generally the baseball team won at baseball and the cricket team won at cricket. When a team won at the other's game it usually was a case of ridiculously great disparity of athleticism. Imagine a modern MLB team, given a reasonable time to learn the rudiments, playing a rec league amateur cricket team. Or, taking it the other direction, an India Premier League team playing an American rec league baseball team. This provides the explanation for the Knickerbockers' loss: They were really, really Not Good. Indeed, they never had been, except for a few years in the mid-1850s when their greater experience sufficed to make them respectable. In their defense, they weren't trying to be good. They were trying to combine exercise and socializing. They were generally successful at this. But on the rare occasions they played an outside game, the results could be ugly. Edit with form to add a comment |
| Query | [] Do we recognize any Knickerbocker players in this 1872 line-up? [] Was it common to call the club "The Knicks" in 1872? Edit with form to add a query |
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| Submitted by | Richard Hershberger |
| Submission Note | FB posting of 8/28/2022 |
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