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|Text=<p>The Philly&nbsp; Athletics released their 1872 income and expenses of about $26,000.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
|Sources=''Philadelphia Sunday Mercury,&nbsp;'' November 17, 1872
|Sources=<p>''Philadelphia Sunday Mercury,&nbsp;'' November 17, 1872</p>
|Comment=Richard Hershberger, 11/17/2022, ''150 years ago in baseball'':
|Comment=<p>Richard Hershberger, 11/17/2022, ''150 years ago in baseball'': "The Athletic Club's financial statement for 1872. Professional baseball had not yet reached the point where it hid its books and claimed poverty. Here in 1872 the books were treated as a public matter, and the poverty was entirely genuine. This is an "inside baseball" discussion, but worth examining.<br /><br />If you just look at the bottom line, the club came out just barely ahead for the year. It looks even better when you see that they paid out $3000 to retire debt. (For a debt of $5141? Perhaps there was some negotiated forgiveness. We are not told.) But look at the top line: Dues from members. The Athletics were not a stock company, but a club of the old fraternal model, which sponsored a baseball team. What is in it for the dues-paying members? They aren't meeting twice a week in the summer to take their exercise together. Those days are long past. They are essentially a booster club. The team won the pennant last year, so people are eager to associate themselves with it, and to secure premium seating. Spoiler alert: Boston will get this year's pennant.<br /><br />The real question is can a club field a successful professional team based on gate receipts? There are a few odds and ends of additional revenue, but they are tiny. The answer we see here is "no." Take out the member dues, and even if we also take out the debt payment, the result is in the red. The largest expense by far is player salaries. (Harry Painter, in case you were wondering, is the "superintendent," i.e. the groundskeeper.) The challenge will be to lower this expense line. Another spoiler: Things will get worse before they get better. Baseball of the 1870s will be strewn with financial failures." ---</p>
 
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"The Athletic Club's financial statement for 1872. Professional baseball had not yet reached the point where it hid its books and claimed poverty. Here in 1872 the books were treated as a public matter, and the poverty was entirely genuine. This is an "inside baseball" discussion, but worth examining.<br><br>If you just look at the bottom line, the club came out just barely ahead for the year. It looks even better when you see that they paid out $3000 to retire debt. (For a debt of $5141? Perhaps there was some negotiated forgiveness. We are not told.) But look at the top line: Dues from members. The Athletics were not a stock company, but a club of the old fraternal model, which sponsored a baseball team. What is in it for the dues-paying members? They aren't meeting twice a week in the summer to take their exercise together. Those days are long past. They are essentially a booster club. The team won the pennant last year, so people are eager to associate themselves with it, and to secure premium seating. Spoiler alert: Boston will get this year's pennant.<br><br>The real question is can a club field a successful professional team based on gate receipts? There are a few odds and ends of additional revenue, but they are tiny. The answer we see here is "no." Take out the member dues, and even if we also take out the debt payment, the result is in the red. The largest expense by far is player salaries. (Harry Painter, in case you were wondering, is the "superintendent," i.e. the groundskeeper.) The challenge will be to lower this expense line. Another spoiler: Things will get worse before they get better. Baseball of the 1870s will be strewn with financial failures."
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<div dir="auto">Stephen Dodson added: "This is fascinating. I was always outraged at the collusion to keep players' salaries down, but I never realized how tight the finances were. The other remedy would have been to charge more for admittance, but I guess they were already charging what the market would bear?"</div>
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<div dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" lang="en" dir="auto">Richard replied, in part: "The solution they found going into the 1880 season was the reserve system. This still exists in modified form, now via collective bargaining and for a limited portion of a player's career. Something like this was necessary. Even the more thoughtful players recognized this. When the Brotherhood formed after fifteen years after this excerpt, its position was to accept the reserve system. Selling or trading players without the player's consent was a different matter entirely. This was a line in the sand. In the excitement leading up to the Players' League war the distinction between the reserve and player sales was lost, but that was a matter of excited passions."</span></div>
 
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<span class="xt0psk2"></span><div class="x1lliihq xjkvuk6 x1iorvi4"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"><div class="x11i5rnm xat24cr x1mh8g0r x1vvkbs xdj266r"><div dir="auto">Stephen Dodson added: "This is fascinating. I was always outraged at the collusion to keep players' salaries down, but I never realized how tight the finances were. The other remedy would have been to charge more for admittance, but I guess they were already charging what the market would bear?"</div><div dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en">Richard replied, in part: "The solution they found going into the 1880 season was the reserve system. This still exists in modified form, now via collective bargaining and for a limited portion of a player's career. Something like this was necessary. Even the more thoughtful players recognized this. When the Brotherhood formed after fifteen years after this excerpt, its position was to accept the reserve system. Selling or trading players without the player's consent was a different matter entirely. This was a line in the sand. In the excitement leading up to the Players' League war the distinction between the reserve and player sales was lost, but that was a matter of excited passions."</span></div><div dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div><div dir="auto"><span class="x193iq5w xeuugli x13faqbe x1vvkbs x1xmvt09 x1lliihq x1s928wv xhkezso x1gmr53x x1cpjm7i x1fgarty x1943h6x xudqn12 x3x7a5m x6prxxf xvq8zen xo1l8bm xzsf02u" dir="auto" lang="en"></span></div></div></span></div>
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|Query=His anyone systematically tracked player salaries in he early pro years?
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|Query=<p>His anyone systematically tracked player salaries in he early pro years?</p>
|Submitted by=Richard Hershberger
|Submitted by=Richard Hershberger
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|Submission Note=FB Posting, 11/17/2022
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The Philly  Athletics released their 1872 income and expenses of about $26,000.  

Sources

Philadelphia Sunday Mercury,  November 17, 1872

Comment

Richard Hershberger, 11/17/2022, 150 years ago in baseball: "The Athletic Club's financial statement for 1872. Professional baseball had not yet reached the point where it hid its books and claimed poverty. Here in 1872 the books were treated as a public matter, and the poverty was entirely genuine. This is an "inside baseball" discussion, but worth examining.

If you just look at the bottom line, the club came out just barely ahead for the year. It looks even better when you see that they paid out $3000 to retire debt. (For a debt of $5141? Perhaps there was some negotiated forgiveness. We are not told.) But look at the top line: Dues from members. The Athletics were not a stock company, but a club of the old fraternal model, which sponsored a baseball team. What is in it for the dues-paying members? They aren't meeting twice a week in the summer to take their exercise together. Those days are long past. They are essentially a booster club. The team won the pennant last year, so people are eager to associate themselves with it, and to secure premium seating. Spoiler alert: Boston will get this year's pennant.

The real question is can a club field a successful professional team based on gate receipts? There are a few odds and ends of additional revenue, but they are tiny. The answer we see here is "no." Take out the member dues, and even if we also take out the debt payment, the result is in the red. The largest expense by far is player salaries. (Harry Painter, in case you were wondering, is the "superintendent," i.e. the groundskeeper.) The challenge will be to lower this expense line. Another spoiler: Things will get worse before they get better. Baseball of the 1870s will be strewn with financial failures." ---

Stephen Dodson added: "This is fascinating. I was always outraged at the collusion to keep players' salaries down, but I never realized how tight the finances were. The other remedy would have been to charge more for admittance, but I guess they were already charging what the market would bear?"
 
Richard replied, in part: "The solution they found going into the 1880 season was the reserve system. This still exists in modified form, now via collective bargaining and for a limited portion of a player's career. Something like this was necessary. Even the more thoughtful players recognized this. When the Brotherhood formed after fifteen years after this excerpt, its position was to accept the reserve system. Selling or trading players without the player's consent was a different matter entirely. This was a line in the sand. In the excitement leading up to the Players' League war the distinction between the reserve and player sales was lost, but that was a matter of excited passions."
 
 
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