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|Year=1832 | |||
|Year Suffix=c | |||
|Year Number=2 | |||
|Headline=Two NYC Clubs Play Base Ball | |Headline=Two NYC Clubs Play Base Ball | ||
|Salience=2 | |Salience=2 | ||
|Tags=Pre-Knicks NYC, Pre-modern Rules, | |||
|Country=US | |||
|State=NY | |||
|City=Manhattan | |||
|Game=Base Ball | |Game=Base Ball | ||
| | |Immediacy of Report=Retrospective | ||
|Age of Players=Adult | |||
|Text=<p>"The history of the present style of playing Base Ball (which of late years has been much improved) was commenced by the Knickerbocker Club in 1845. There were two other clubs in the city that had an organization that date back as far as 1832, the members of one of which mostly resided in the first ward, the lower part of the city, the other in the upper part of the city (9th and 15th wards). Both of these clubs played in the old-fashioned way of throwing the ball and striking the runner, in order to put him out. To the Knickerbocker Club we are indebted for the present improved style of playing the game, and since their organization they have ever been foremost in altering or modifying the rules when in their judgment it would tend to make the game more scientific."</p> | |Text=<p>"The history of the present style of playing Base Ball (which of late years has been much improved) was commenced by the Knickerbocker Club in 1845. There were two other clubs in the city that had an organization that date back as far as 1832, the members of one of which mostly resided in the first ward, the lower part of the city, the other in the upper part of the city (9th and 15th wards). Both of these clubs played in the old-fashioned way of throwing the ball and striking the runner, in order to put him out. To the Knickerbocker Club we are indebted for the present improved style of playing the game, and since their organization they have ever been foremost in altering or modifying the rules when in their judgment it would tend to make the game more scientific."</p> | ||
<p>John Thorn added: | <p>John Thorn has added: The club from lower Manhattan evolves into the New York Club (see entry #1843.1) and later splits into the Knickerbockers and Gothams. The club from upper Manhattan evolves into the Washington Club (see entry #1843.2) which in turn gives way to the Gothams.</p> | ||
<p>William Wood, < | <p> </p> | ||
|Sources=<p>William Wood, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Manual of Physical Exercises</span><em>.</em> (Harper Bros., 1867), pp. 189-90. Per John Thorn, 6/15/04. <strong>Note:</strong> Wood provides no source.</p> | |||
<p>Reported in Thorn, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Baseball in the Garden of Eden</span> (Simon and Schuster, 2011), pages 32 and 307.</p> | |||
<p> </p> | |||
|Comment=<p>Wood was only about 13 years old in 1832, according to Fred E. Leonard, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Pioneers of Modern Physical Training</span> (Association Pres, New York, 1915), page 121. Text provided by John Thorn, 6/12/2007.</p> | |||
|Query=<p>Does the lineage from Ward clubs to Knickerbockers and Gothams (but not Magnolias) stem from common membership rolls?</p> | |||
<p> </p> | |||
<p>Is the quoted verbiage from Wood in 1867 or from John Thorn in 2007?</p> | |||
|Submitted by=John Thorn, | |||
|Submission Note=Email of 6/12/2007 | |||
|Reviewed=Yes | |Reviewed=Yes | ||
| | |Has Supplemental Text=No | ||
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Text | "The history of the present style of playing Base Ball (which of late years has been much improved) was commenced by the Knickerbocker Club in 1845. There were two other clubs in the city that had an organization that date back as far as 1832, the members of one of which mostly resided in the first ward, the lower part of the city, the other in the upper part of the city (9th and 15th wards). Both of these clubs played in the old-fashioned way of throwing the ball and striking the runner, in order to put him out. To the Knickerbocker Club we are indebted for the present improved style of playing the game, and since their organization they have ever been foremost in altering or modifying the rules when in their judgment it would tend to make the game more scientific." John Thorn has added: The club from lower Manhattan evolves into the New York Club (see entry #1843.1) and later splits into the Knickerbockers and Gothams. The club from upper Manhattan evolves into the Washington Club (see entry #1843.2) which in turn gives way to the Gothams.
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Sources | William Wood, Manual of Physical Exercises. (Harper Bros., 1867), pp. 189-90. Per John Thorn, 6/15/04. Note: Wood provides no source. Reported in Thorn, Baseball in the Garden of Eden (Simon and Schuster, 2011), pages 32 and 307.
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Comment | Wood was only about 13 years old in 1832, according to Fred E. Leonard, Pioneers of Modern Physical Training (Association Pres, New York, 1915), page 121. Text provided by John Thorn, 6/12/2007. Edit with form to add a comment |
Query | Does the lineage from Ward clubs to Knickerbockers and Gothams (but not Magnolias) stem from common membership rolls?
Is the quoted verbiage from Wood in 1867 or from John Thorn in 2007? Edit with form to add a query |
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Submitted by | John Thorn, |
Submission Note | Email of 6/12/2007 |
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