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|Headline=Chadwick Wants Pitching Rules Changed; Opens Door to Curve Ball?
|Headline=NABBP Refines Rules for Home and Away Series
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|Text=<p>"PITCHING VS. THROWING: WHAT IS A SQUARE PITCH?</p>
|Text=<p>" Sec. 2 -- THE SERIES OF GAMES:&nbsp; . . . each club shall play five games with every other contesting club . . . before November of each year . . .</p>
<p>The time has arrived when the code of rules n base ball should no longer be burdened with any dead letter laws [including]&nbsp; that which requires the pitcher to confine himself to the simple act of 'pitching.'</p>
<p>Sec.3 -- WINNING THE PENNANT: The club wining the greatest number of games in the championship series . . . shall be declared champions of the United States . . .</p>
<p>[. . . discusses evolution of base ball delivery, and how faster pitches, including 'lightning throws,' and suggests that such were&nbsp; necessary to the full development of the game']</p>
<p>Sec.4 -- IN CASE OF A TIE: In case of a tie . . . the one having the best average shall be declared champions . . . .</p>
<p>[T]he rules should be cleared of he prohibition of throwing the ball to the bat, at least to the extent of allowing any delivery except that of an overhand or raised hand throw."</p>
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<p><em>See full text below</em></p>
|Sources=<p><em>New York Clipper,</em> February 17, 1872:&nbsp;</p>
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|Comment=<p><span><span>Richard Hershberger summarizes, (FB posting, 2/17/2022):</span></span></p>
|Comment=<p>Richard Hershberger Explains, 3/5/2022:</p>
<p><span><span>&nbsp;</span></span></p>
<p><span>"150 years ago in baseball: More on the NAPBBP's annual convention. Here is an excerpt from the new championship rules.</span><br /><br /><span>Notice that not only does each entrant play a five game series against every other, but the rule specifies that they will play all five games. This is new. The understanding last season was that a series was, by its nature, a "best of" matter. So a five game series might actually only be three games, if one team won all three. This created a potential discrepancy between a team winning the most series and a team winning the most games. That potential discrepancy has, in theory, been resolved. If every team plays out their entire series, the team winning the most games will also win the most series.</span><br /><br /><span>But this is 1872. No one imagined that every game would actually be played. This is implicitly acknowledged by using win-loss average as a tie breaker, should the two clubs at the top of the standings have the same number of wins. If all the games were played, their averages would also be tied. This seems to have been thought so unlikely that no additional tie breakers were necessary. It will be the 1880s before the modern system is adopted, with win-loss percentage determining the pennant, rather than being merely a tie breaker.</span><br /><br /><span>The championship rules are clearer this year than last, when there was genuine confusion about how they worked. This does not mean, however, that all the problems were resolved. There is still a ticking time bomb. Stay tuned. Beadle's Dime Base Ball Player 1872"&nbsp;</span></p>
<p><span><span>"150 years ago in baseball: Chadwick advocating a loosening of the pitch delivery rules. This will happen, but the timing will be complicated, and a subject for another day. Today we look at Chad's argument.</span><br /><br /><span>His claim is that pitchers have been routinely violating the delivery rules since Creighton's day, over a decade earlier. He makes the argument that the rules should be brought into alignment with reality.</span><br /><br /><span>This argument is reasonable on its face, but very peculiar coming from Chadwick. First off, his discussion about the elbow and the wrist is partially off point. There was an ongoing discussion in cricket whether the wrist was involved in a "throw." The eventual consensus was that it is not, allowing for spin bowling. Baseball arrived at the same conclusion, and in fact had five years earlier. The 1867 rules added language defining what was a "throw," discussing the elbow but with no mention of the wrist. Chadwick was on the rules committee that recommended this, yet here he is writing as if he did not know the rule.</span><br /><br /><span>It gets worse. He argues that pitchers have been illegally throwing the ball for over a decade, but he never thought to mention this before this year, despite having the bully pulpit as the rules guy published in multiple venues, and the cricket background to understand the issue. And we have to figure that he was one of the two or three persons who heard Lillywhite's comment. This is,, so far as I know, the earliest mention of that comment, here thirteen years later (Chad having misremembered that the cricket visit was in 1859). Yet only now does he tell us about it.</span><br /><br /><span>What changed? This being Chad, he might had sat up in the middle of the night, turned to his wife, said "Gadzooks! They are throwing the ball!" and ran with it from there. This doesn't seem to match with any of his usual ideological priors. It seems pretty random. This might also seem like a trivial discussion of an obscure obsolete rule, but it in fact will be hugely important to the development the game, opening the door to modern overhand and curve ball pitching. More on this later."&nbsp;</span></span></p>
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" Sec. 2 -- THE SERIES OF GAMES:  . . . each club shall play five games with every other contesting club . . . before November of each year . . .

Sec.3 -- WINNING THE PENNANT: The club wining the greatest number of games in the championship series . . . shall be declared champions of the United States . . .

Sec.4 -- IN CASE OF A TIE: In case of a tie . . . the one having the best average shall be declared champions . . . .

Comment

Richard Hershberger Explains, 3/5/2022:

"150 years ago in baseball: More on the NAPBBP's annual convention. Here is an excerpt from the new championship rules.

Notice that not only does each entrant play a five game series against every other, but the rule specifies that they will play all five games. This is new. The understanding last season was that a series was, by its nature, a "best of" matter. So a five game series might actually only be three games, if one team won all three. This created a potential discrepancy between a team winning the most series and a team winning the most games. That potential discrepancy has, in theory, been resolved. If every team plays out their entire series, the team winning the most games will also win the most series.

But this is 1872. No one imagined that every game would actually be played. This is implicitly acknowledged by using win-loss average as a tie breaker, should the two clubs at the top of the standings have the same number of wins. If all the games were played, their averages would also be tied. This seems to have been thought so unlikely that no additional tie breakers were necessary. It will be the 1880s before the modern system is adopted, with win-loss percentage determining the pennant, rather than being merely a tie breaker.

The championship rules are clearer this year than last, when there was genuine confusion about how they worked. This does not mean, however, that all the problems were resolved. There is still a ticking time bomb. Stay tuned. Beadle's Dime Base Ball Player 1872" 

 

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