Gothams Club of New York

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Nick Name Gothams, New York Ball Club and Washington Ball Club
Earliest Known Date 1837 (Foundation Date)
Location New York, Manhattan, NY, United States
Description

Perhaps the most convoluted of all tales surrounding the beginning of organized baseball may best be exemplified by the Gotham Club of New York, whose own genesis can be linked directly to William Rufus Wheaton. In an 1887 interview, Wheaton told an interviewer that he wrote down the rules for play for the club in 1837. According to John Thorn, "At some point in the early 1840s the Gotham club was renamed the New York Ball Club, retaining most if not all of its Gotham members. The New Yorks then spun off the Knickerbockers, as Wheaton relates in the 1887 interview. The Gotham, meanwhile, continued to play ball among themselves from 1845 to 1849, just as the Knickerbocker and Eagle clubs appear to have done. In 1850 those Gotham and New York members who had not attached to the Knickerbockers in Hoboken reconstituted themselves as, yet again, the Washingtons, playing at the Red House Grounds (“a most comfortable ‘asylum for distressed husbands,’” offered Spirit of the Times) at Second Avenue and 105th Street in New York.

In 1851 this Washington Base Ball Club challenged the Knickerbockers to match games that have been preserved in the historical record. In 1852 the club reverted to its old name of Gothams, 'consolidating with' the Washingtons."

This club is the same as the one that played against the Knickerbockers on June 19, 1846, although at the time they were going by the name New York Club.

Sources

Morris, Peter, et. al., Editors (2013) Base Ball Founders; the Clubs, Players and Cities of the Northeast that Established the Game. Jefferson, NC, McFarland, pg. 51.

Thorn, John (2011) Baseball in the Garden of Eden: The Secret History of the Early Game. Simon and Schuster.

Comment

Despite the conflicting views as to the pedigree of the team, for the time being all players who appeared with either the 1837 or 1853 incarnations of the Gothams, as well as the 1851-1852 Washingtons, appear on this page. 

Entered by Ralph Carhart
Entry Origin Sabrpedia

Win/Loss Records As Far As We Now Know

Warning: Users should not rely on a team's won-loss record as a reflection of its "standing" among all base ball clubs. Team schedules were not balanced, and a good record against mostly weak opponents does not signify a leading club.

Year Games Wins Losses Ties
1845 4 Played 3 Won 0 Lost 0 Tied
1846 1 Played 1 Won 0 Lost 0 Tied
1851 2 Played 0 Won 2 Lost 0 Tied
1853 3 Played 0 Won 3 Lost 0 Tied
1854 5 Played 1 Won 3 Lost 1 Tied
1855 7 Played 5 Won 1 Lost 0 Tied
1856 9 Played 6 Won 1 Lost 1 Tied
1857 8 Played 4 Won 2 Lost 1 Tied
1858 8 Played 1 Won 7 Lost 0 Tied
1859 7 Played 3 Won 4 Lost 0 Tied
1860 13 Played 8 Won 1 Lost 4 Tied
1865 2 Played 2 Won 0 Lost 0 Tied
1866 1 Played 1 Won 0 Lost 0 Tied

Ballgames

Page Date City Borough State Team 1 Team 2 Score First in Contributor
Ballgame 1845-10-10 Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Gothams Club of New York Brooklyn Base Ball Club 22 - 1 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1845-10-21 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Brooklyn Base Ball Club 24 - 4 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1845-10-23 Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Gothams Club of New York Brooklyn Base Ball Club 37 - 19 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1845-11-10 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 24 - 23
Ballgame 1846-06-19 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York 23 - 1 NJ First Match Game Under NY Rules Larry McCray & Craig Waff
Ballgame 1851-06-03 Harlem Manhattan NY Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 21 - 11 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1851-06-17 Hoboken NJ Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 22 - 20 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1853-07-01 Hoboken NJ Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 26 - 14 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1853-07-05 Hoboken NJ Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 21 - 12 Ralph Carhart
Ballgame 1853-10-14 Harlem Manhattan NY Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 21 - 14 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1854-06-30 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York 16 - 21 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1854-09-20 Hoboken NJ Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 24 - 13 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1854-10-24 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 21 - 14 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1854-10-26 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York 12 - 12 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1854-11-03 Harlem Manhattan NY Eagle Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 23 - 15 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1855-06-01 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York 21 - 12 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1855-06-22 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 21 - 3 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1855-09-05 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Empire Club of New York 25 - 4 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1855-09-13 Hoboken NJ Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 22 - 7 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1855-10-01 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 22 - 11 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1855-10-05 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Empire Club of New York 24 - 9 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1855-11-29 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Baltic Club of New York Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-07-08 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Baltic Club of New York 25 - 2 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-08-08 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Club of Newark 23 - 8 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-09-05 Harlem Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York 21 - 7
Ballgame 1856-09-11 Bedford, Long Island NY Atlantic Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-09-24 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 26 - 18 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-09-26 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 18 - 18 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-10-17 Harlem Manhattan NY Eagle Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 6 - 2 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-10-24 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 29 - 5 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1856-10-31 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 23 - 4 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-07-10 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 43 - 20 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-07-23 Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Gothams Club of New York Atlantic Club of Brooklyn Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-09-03 Bedford, Long Island NY Atlantic Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 41 - 11 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-09-08 Hoboken NJ Eagle Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 15 - 9 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-09-16 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Empire Club of New York 19 - 17 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-10-03 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Empire Club of New York 24 - 24 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-10-09 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 25 - 19 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1857-10-30 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Atlantic Club of Brooklyn 24 - 19 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1858-08-31 Greenpoint NY Eckford Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 23 - 17 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1858-09-03 Hoboken NJ Empire Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 22 - 11 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1858-09-07 Hoboken NJ Empire Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 40 - 26 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1858-09-14 Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Excelsior Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 24 - 13 Ralph Carhart
Ballgame 1858-09-27 Williamsburg NY Putnam Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 30 - 28 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1858-10-19 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eckford Club of Brooklyn 23 - 6 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1858-10-25 Bedford, Long Island NY Atlantic Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 31 - 17 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1858-10-27 Hoboken NJ Empire Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 23 - 14 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1859-07-29 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 36 - 22 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1859-08-12 South Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Eckford Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 17 - 10 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1859-08-19 New York Manhattan NY Eagle Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 12 - 11 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1859-09-07 Newark Essex County NJ Gothams Club of New York Newark 21 - 13 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1859-09-15 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Mutual Club of New York 37 - 25 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1859-09-29 Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Excelsior Club of South Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 37 - 12 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1859-10-04 New York Manhattan NY Eagle Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 25 - 21 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-06-26 Newark Essex County NJ Gothams Club of New York Newark 26 - 15 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-07-10 Hoboken NJ Eagle Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 18 - 18 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-07-10 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 46 - 10 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-07-17 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Mutual Club of New York 25 - 25 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-07-23 New York Manhattan NY Gothams Club of New York Baltic Club of New York 35 - 16 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-07-24 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Jefferson Club of New York 13 - 13 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-08-22 Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Independent Club of Brooklyn Gothams Club of New York 18 - 12 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-08-29 Brooklyn Brooklyn NY Gothams Club of New York Enterprise Club of Brooklyn 21 - 15 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-09-04 Hoboken NJ Mutual Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 18 - 18 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-09-11 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Eagle Base Ball Club of New York 25 - 11 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-09-18 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Independent Club of Brooklyn 19 - 13 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-09-27 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Mutual Club of New York 19 - 12 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1860-10-08 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Jefferson Club of New York 22 - 3 Craig Waff
Ballgame 1865-08-17 New York Manhattan NY Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 13 - 58 Ralph Carhart
Ballgame 1865-10-05 Hoboken NJ Knickerbocker Base Ball Club of New York Gothams Club of New York 11 - 28 Ralph Carhart
Ballgame 1866-07-31 Hoboken NJ Gothams Club of New York Olympic Club of Paterson 21 - 10 John Zinn

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Players

Player Years Roles Edit Association with Club
Abraham W. Tucker Member
Albert Squires Member
Andrew Gibney 1865-1866 Member
Andrew J. Dupignac 1857, 1860-1861 Member, Later Officer
Andrew Whiteside Member
Austin D. Thompson Member
Charles C. Commerford 1849-1857 Member
Charles Davis Member
Charles H. Beadle 1864-1870 Later Officer
Charles Ludlow Case 1845-1846 Member
Charles S. Riblet Member
Clarence A. Burtis 1859-1860, 1862-1865, 1888 Member
Cornelius Stokem Member
Cornelius V. Anderson 1850-1851 Later Officer
Edward Bonnell Member
Edward G. Saltzman 1852-1856 Member
Franklin Ransom 1846 Member
Gabriel Van Cott Member
George H. Franklin 1857 Member
George Washington Smith 1846 Member
George Wright 1863-1865 Member
Griswold 1857 Member
Hackett Member
Harry B. Venn 1845 Member
Harry Wright 1863-1864 Member
Henry Mortimer Platt 1854 Member
J.A.P. Hopkins Member
James B. Mingay 1861-1864 Member
James Fisher Member
James Lee 1837 Member
James Shepard 1860 Member
John Connell Member
John Drohan Member
John Lalor 1845, 1853 Member
John McCosker 1856-1857 Member
John Miller 1837
John Murphy 1837 Member
John Van Buskirk Hatfield 1865 Member
Johnson 1845, 1857 Member
Joseph Conselyea Pinckney 1856, 1857 Member
Joseph E. Ebling Member
Leonard G. Cohen 1864-1866 Member
Lewis F. Wadsworth 1852-1853, 1857-1858 Member
Milton B. Sweet Member
N.W. Redmond Member
Nicholas Turner 1857-1858 Member
Oscar Teed Member
Patsy Dockney 1864-1865 Member
Peter Roe Member
Philip Sheridan 1854-1857 Member
Richard H. Thorn 1858, 1862 Member
Robert F. Winslow 1845-1846, 1853 Member
Robert F. Winslow Jr. 1853, 1857 Member
Robert Forsyth Member
Ruben Henry Cudlipp 1856-1858 Later Officer
Seaman Lichtenstein 1857 Member
Theodore S. Van Cott Member
Thomas Van Cott 1857 Member, Key Player
Tooker 1857-1858 Member
Trenchard 1846, 1851 Member
Tuche 1852 Member
William F. Burns 1855-1856 Member
William H. Tucker Member
William Hathaway Van Cott 1858 Member
William P. Wright 1865 Member
William Shepard 1860 Member
William Vail 1857 Member
William W. De Milt Member
William Rufus Wheaton 1837-1844 Founder

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